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September 11, 2006
Who would Jesus bomb?
Again on this day of rememberance THE question. I can only add my voice to the question. We must teach others to keep blood off their hands.
I have included the words of more who have served our country faithfully.
“What a cruel thing is war: to separate and destroy families and friends, and mar the purest joys and happiness God has granted us in this world; to fill our hearts with hatred instead of love for our neighbors, and to devastate the fair face of this beautiful world.” Robert E.Lee
"It is only those who have neither fired a shot nor heard the shrieks and groans of the wounded who cry aloud for blood, for vengeance, for desolation. " William T. Sherman
There never was a time when, in my opinion, some way could not be found to prevent the drawing of the sword.” Ulysses S. Grant
“The powers in charge kept us in a perpetual state of fear – kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor – with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has been some terrible evil to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it by furnishing the exorbitant sums demanded. Yet, in retrospect, these disasters seem never to have happened, seem never to have been quite real.”
“Our country is now geared to an arms economy bred in an artificially induced psychosis of war hysteria and an incessant propaganda of fear.” Douglass
MacArthur
“There is no glory in battle worth the blood it costs. If all that Americans want is security, they can go to prison. They’ll have enough to eat, a bed and a roof over their heads. But if an American wants to preserve his dignity and his equality as a human being, he must not bow his neck to any dictatorial government.”
Dwight D. Eisenhower
“Ours is a world of nuclear giants and ethical infants. We know more about war that we know about peace, more about killing that we know about living. Wars can be prevented just as surely as they can be provoked, and we who fail to prevent them, must share the guilt for the dead.”
Omar N. Bradley
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Rob,
Thanks for the comments. I guess we should agree to disagree. I do not believe the bible(at least not what we have now) to be inerrant. I am convinced 300 years of scholarly criticism unmistakably, clearly cannot be ignored.
We disagree profoundly in what St.John the Divine wrote all those many years ago. Aquinas' summa theologica has been quoted as justification for many wars in christ's name. That is a far cry from Jesus' words.
I certainly do not think that fascists have any religious claims. Neither islamic nor christian. I wish you well.
Posted by: glenH at September 12, 2006 08:54 PM
I believe Jesus when He said He is coming back one day (Acts 1) and that His victory is assured (Revelation). I cannot equate that with the War on Terror. However, I believe that His ultimate victory is sufficient evidence that Jesus would (and will someday) fight a war. If you do not believe in the inerrancy of Scripture, then we have no premise to agree on for discussion. Jesus claimed to be God. This is an absolute statement. Either He is telling the truth, or he is lunatic and liar. There is no in-between. That being said, Jesus (as part of the three Persons of God) advocated the destruction of and war against evil all throughout the Old Testament (the Egyptians, the Philistines, Sodom and Gomorrah are some examples). He is the same yesterday, today, and forever. He is God, and thus never wrong or sinful. Evidently, then, there are occasions when war is justified. You may not believe that the War on Terror falls into this category, but it is not as if Jesus never finds a justification for war. Indeed I believe one should be cautious when attempting to justify a war, lest you think that I am as blood-thirsty as the Islamo-fascists who killed 3000 Americans five years ago because that is not so.
Posted by: RobU at September 12, 2006 06:43 PM
Rob,
I do not want to sound, petty. Revelation and domitian's connection refers to the time when the revelation was written and circulated. The literal interpretation of apocalyptic writing is ...naive. Jesus in any context and war are antithetical. It "misses the point" to coin the greek interpretation, to extend jesus into apocalypes as justification for human cruelty. Maybe we need some salve for our own compromises, christ lived in opposition to war.
That or we all must ignore the purpose and message of Jude.
regards
Posted by: glenH at September 12, 2006 09:11 AM
Your reference to Domitian confuses me. You asked, "Who would Jesus bomb?" I'm saying that clearly Jesus will go to war against evil when we reach the times talked about in Revelation. I don't believe we are living those times yet. However, that being said, the question is -- who and what is evil? I believe it is clearly stated in Revelation that Jesus intends to wipe out evil permanently at some point in the future. Do you agree?
Posted by: RobU at September 11, 2006 10:14 PM
If you were one of the christian martyrs of domitian's reign, you might have a leg to stand on. After all, WE must be reading the same bible, the new testament's book of revelation. Of course we would not be writing comments to this discussion if that were true.
Posted by: glenH at September 11, 2006 08:48 PM
The book of Revelation talks about a war to come in which Jesus wipes out evil, so clearly He would indeed fight a just war. You can debate the merits of whether the war in Iraq and against terrorism is just if you like, but I am comfortable saying that Jesus advocates a just war.
Posted by: RobU at September 11, 2006 05:59 PM
